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What are the healing potentials of expanded states?

It is this question that guides the conversation featured on this episode of Adventures Through The Mind, another Psychedelic Café episode.

Our guests and I together explore What is the healing potential of expanded states? and, in doing so, explore the power of psychedelics to connect us with ourselves, each other, nature, and a higher order of reality.

We explore the narrow confines of a purely medical model for psychedelics; the shallowness and danger of the growing mainstream narratives; and the importance of arriving to psychedelics with “beginner’s mind.”

We explore the purge as a healing mechanism; whether or not we can trust what “the medicine” tells us; how psychedelics impact how we approach death; and what they can teach us about working with psychosis.

In all of that we also explore loneliness and our longing for belonging; why we end up sabotaging ourselves from meaningful connections; and the value of sharing our gratitude for each other, with each other.

And, well, more.

All of these topics in one contained and coherent conversational space is part of the process with the Psychedelic Café (which is an altered form of the “conversation café” surrounding psychedelic questions).

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Our Guests For This Psychedelic Cafe

Maria Papaspyrou is an integrative psychotherapist, clinical supervisor, and systemic family constellations facilitator based in Brighton, UK. She co-edited the book Psychedelic Mysteries of the Feminine and is a cofounder and codirector of the Institute of psychedelic therapy.

More of Papaspyrou’s work can be found at
Or through The Institute Of Psychedelic Therapy

Listen to Papaspyrou’s interview on ATTMind: A Jungian Approach To Psychedelic Integration
Or hear her on Psychedelic Café 2: What Psychedelics Can Teach Us About Dealing With Crisis

Nir Tradmor is a transpersonal psychotherapist, phenomenological researcher and a co-founder of Safe Shore – a psychedelic education, harm reduction and peer support project. He holds a Master’s in Transpersonal Psychology from Middlesex University (through the Alef Trust), trained in Hakomi body-centered psychotherapy and currently leads a phenomenological study about Ayahuasca and death perception at the Neurophenomenological lab in Haifa University.

Safe Shoes Psychedelic Education and Harm Reduction:

Natasja Pelgrom is a sacred medicine woman, Mystic, devotional creative, and visionary who leads spiritual alchemy journeys, providing a compassionate space for healing and then remembering. She is the creatrix of the Phoenix Rising Course, the six month in-person Awaken Self-Love course, and the tailor-made Psychedelic Integration  Journey, as well as the founder of Awaken The Medicine Within retreats.

Pelgrom is also a founding member of the Synthesis Institute; she leads the psilocybin-assisted wellness retreats, is a key influencer in the development of the online wellness program, the psychedelic practitioner training, and is the cocreatrix of the women’s leadership retreat.

More of Natasja Pelgrom’s work can be found at

Renne Harvey

Renee Harvey is a Clinical Psychologist who has recently relocated to Australia after a long career in the UK as a Consultant in the NHS and more recently as an Honorary Research Fellow at Imperial College London in the study of psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression. She was responsible for leading in service development for people with complex emotional needs in the UK and specialized in training clinicians for this work.

Renee was a key member of developing psychedelic interest groups and in establishing and running a Psychedelic Integration Circle in Brighton prior to leaving the UK. She is currently based in Melbourne, working in private practice and part of the developing Australian community in psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy training, research, and clinical service. “

You can find her on LinkedIn here:

healing potential of expanded states

Our participants (listed below) are all contributing authors to the book Psychedelics and Psychotherapy: The Healing Potential of Expanded States, edited by Tim Read and Maria Papaspyrou. Where their book was the inspiration for this café.

“Exploring the latest developments in the flourishing field of modern psychedelic psycho-therapy, this book shares practical experiences and insights from both elders and newer research voices in the psychedelic research and clinical communities. “

Episode Breakdown

  • Introducing participants
  • One clear thought on the question (round 1): What is the healing potential of expanded states?
  • Open discussion (round 2)
  • Entering into the “we” space, relational work, the healing of connection
  • Getting permission from the plant | giving permission to meet ourselves
  • The shadow of the mainstream medical psychedelic narrative
  • The judgments against “recreational” psychedelic use
  • The importance of arriving to psychedelics with beginner’s mind
  • The psychedelic other | can we trust what “the medicine” tells us?
  • The spirits have ego, too | negotiating with
  • The purge as a healing mechanism
  • Psychedelic marketing and the cringey direction of mainstream psychedelic culture
  • “Who owns psychedelics?”
  • The impact of psychedelics on how we approach death
  • Reciprocity with psychedelics medicine
  • Why do we sabotage ourselves?
  • The healing potential of expanded states to help us connect with ourselves
  • The value of sharing our gratitude for each other
  • Belonging, feeling alone, and grieving the loss of belonging
  • Psychedelics and working with psychosis
  • Closing thoughts on the question (round 3)
  • Social Media details for each participant

What Is The Psychedelic Café?

The Psychedelic Café is a structured conversational space exploring various, deep questions about the nature of mind, life, and reality.

Each cafe features a curated selection of 4-5 people to explore a question according to a specific structure. That structure is called Dharma Talking and is a conversational technology from Jean Robertson, forged in The Liminal Space Agency Meta-Monastery, and based on Conversation Cafés

Why this style?

The cafe structure creates a quality and dynamic of conversation, idea sharing, and mutual learning that is incredibly ripe and valuable for not only the people involved but the listening audience who will be able to listen to it afterward. In the current times of uncertainty, complexity, and change, I believe the psychedelic cafe will offer content not otherwise available in a time where it is deeply needed. If you want to try doing your own cafe, instructions on how to do so can be found here.



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