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The Legal and Cultural Landscape of Psilocybin Mushrooms in Mexico | Mijal Schmidt
In this episode of the podcast, we explore the present day legal and political conundrum psilocybin mushrooms are facing as they sit on the verge of a significant change in their criminal status; the historical impact of mushroom tourism on the indigenous cultures that work with psilocybin; how that history is impacting those cultures today; and how all of this is influencing the complex political situation mushrooms now sit in the middle of. Our guest is Mijal Schmidt.
Mijal Schmidt is a clinical psychologist, with a masters in psychoanalysis and musicology. She has been working in the clinical field for over 15 years, and as an integration psychotherapist for over 5 years. She collaborates with different international organizations such as ICEERS as an Integration psychotherapist and was just appointed as the Clinical Director at Nectara. Her experimentation with master plants for personal exploration around 10 years ago, and in her own words…
“The closeness with traditional practices from México and Perú have opened up perceptual dimensions in me which continue to inform my clinical practice and feed my everyday life. In this regard I’m a blend of traditional teachings and contemporary theoretical approaches which help me broaden the understanding of how to bridge these knowledge and produce possibilities with the people who look to integration to making sense of their work with master plants.”
She has been on the show previously, for episode 183, titles Integrating Ayahuasca (and Psychedelics In General).
You can get in contact with her or learn more about her work via her website https://www.mijalschmidt.com/
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Episode Breakdown
- (00:00) Opening
- (1:44) Episode Sponsor: Magicbag.co
- (2:50) Patron Thanks
- (3:35) Guest Bio
- (4:44) Interview Begins
- (6:40) The present legal/political landscape of psilocybin mushrooms in Mexico
- (15:44) The involvement of indigenous peoples in the changing laws around mushrooms
- (24:39) The conflicts that mushroom tourism has created between indigenous people and its impact on changing legislation
- (37:39) What does it mean to be “poor” in a context of cultural richness
- (43:51) The Mushroom Velada (indigenous mushroom ceremony)
- (48:03) How the cultural context of mushroom use impacts what is offers the person taking them
- (51:44) The modern “shamanic” traditions using psilocybin mushrooms in Mexico and the impact of mushroom tourism on those traditions
- (58:53) The problems created by mushroom tourism in San Jose del Pacifico
- (1:04:32) The potential spiritual extractivism of psychedelic tourism
- (1:12:03) Doesn’t tourism—psychedelic and otherwise—offer economic benefits?
- (1:19:30) The hope and the fear of what will come of the psychedelic renaissance
- (1:30:28) The possibility of not knowing | asking ourselves what our healing is taking from others
- (1:33:41) The limitations of me-focused psychedelic healing
learning to think relationally - (1:37:47) Bringing play and joy back into life (and the conversation)
- (1:40:50) Learning to think relationally
- (1:43:55) What Mijal would like to see for the future of Psilocybin Mushrooms in Mexico
- (1:53:10) Outro
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