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Deep Time, Extinct Cephalopods, and The Evolutionary gift of Death | Sky Otter ~ ATTMind 186

Today’s episode is an exploratory interview with Sky Otter.
By this I mean that Sky and I enter in with a very general sense of topic, and an all but complete lack of predetermined direction.

We knew where we would start, and that we would end when the interview was over, but everything else you hear in today’s interview emerged from a spontaneous navigation through topics based solely on a known starting position, curiosity, and the intimation of feeling of something meaning something of value guiding us out to waters unknown and back, from conversational departure to birth.

Throughout the interview, led by the inspiration of a cephalopod now extinct 66 million years, we explore what is means to live our lives in alignment with life, creatively, and with heartbreak, grief, endings, and death as not only necessary parts of the process, but gifts that can deepen, enrich, and guide our limited days.

Some of the topics we explore include ammonite as example of death and creative change in evolution; why life requires death and heartbreak is necessary; finding our way out of mass extinction through creativity in service to life; building heart-full community in relationship with Nature; deep Time and the ever-present is-ness of all things from all time; and why acting in alignment with life is a gift to all life, across all time.

ATTMind 186 Sky Otter Promo ArtSky Otter, formerly known as Bill Pfeiffer, is the founder of Sacred Earth Network (SEN) which implemented leading edge visions for over 25 years. In that time, Sky made Russia a second home having travelled there 44 times assisting the environmental and indigenous movements through SEN. This has given him a rare cross-cultural perspective. He has also led hundreds of spiritual ecology workshops, including men’s and breath work.  He has 25 years of experience in Re-evaluation Counselling and Vipassana meditation, and has undergone extensive training with Siberian shamans. Sky has partnered with and designed experiential workshops with Joanna Macy, John Perkins, Llyn Roberts, Cathy Pedevillano, and John Seed. He has also spent much time in the US Southwest learning about Native medicine ways and the crucial importance of the petroglyphs and pictographs. His  book, Wild Earth, Wild Soul: A Manual for an Ecstatic Culture has been met with high acclaim.

Learn more about Sky Otter’s work at skyotter.org

Sky has been on the podcast twice now, in a dedicated interview for Episode 156: Deep Ecology, Earth Connection, and The Circle of Life; as well as episode 9 of the Psychedelic Café miniseries, titled Why Our Sense of Connection Matters.


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Episode Breakdown

  • (00:00) Opening
  • (02:04) Guest Bio
  • (03:43) Patreon Thanks
  • (05:38) Interview beings
  • (10:04) Ammonite as example of death and creative change in evolution
  • (15:40) Aligning with life beyond the individual self
  • (19:33) Finding our way out of mass extinction through creativity in service to life
  • (25:33) Life requires death; heartbreak is necessary
  • (29:45) Grief is natural, but easier said than done
  • (35:50) Building heart-full community in relationship with Nature
  • (38:49) The misappropriation of “trusting life” to bypass ecological responsibility
  • (46:33) Creativity and trusting life vs nihilism and numbing out in the face of ecological crisis
  • (50:11) The complexity, challenge, and benefits of living in alignment with life
  • (1:06:39) Deep Time and the ever-present is-ness of all things from all time
  • (1:12:39) Acting in alignment with life is a gift to all of life; why we DON’T feel connected with life
  • (1:22:20) I am because we are…
  • (1:24:54) Follow-up links and contact details
  • (1:26:03) Outro

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