All About DMTx (extended-state DMT) | Hayley and Kevin of Dream Mind Labs – ATTMind Podcast 206

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This episode is going to be a deep dive into extended-state dimethyltryptamine, otherwise known as DMTx

The full details as to what DMTx is will be talked about during the interview, but the gist is that it is an intravenous delivery technology that allows people to stay in the DMT state for up to hours at a time, whereas normally the experience would last a total of just a few minutes.

Our guests for this episode are Hayley Mann and Kevin Thorbahn, who run Dream Mind Labs, one of only a handful of places in the world where DMTx is available outside of clinical trials.

They are on the show to talk about:

🧬 What DMTx is and how it works
🌀 What people experience during a DMTx session
🙋 Why people choose to undergo the experience
⏱️ How long people stay in for
💡 What people get out of the experience
🏥 Where DMTx may fit in the growing psychedelic medical and personal use landscape
⚖️ The legal situation in Colorado that allows them to legally run Dream Mind Labs
⚠️ The dangers present in undergoing DMTx
👽 The nearly universal experience of encountering and communicating with entities or aliens
🔫 The “DMT laser thing”
🎵 The role of music and sound during a DMTx session
🤯 Some of the weirder things they have experienced as facilitators

This was a super interesting interview for me, and I found Haley and Kevin very easy and joyful to talk with. It was easily one of the most at ease and “myself” I have felt in an interview in a long time, and I look forward to sharing it with you now.

Enjoy!

Check Out Dream Mind Labs: https://dreammindlabs.com/

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Episode Breakdown

• (00:00) — Ad (Amentara)
• (00:36) — Opening
• (04:46) — Interview Begins
• (04:55) — The legality of DMTx and other psychedelics in Colorado
• (11:04) — DMTx, what it is and how it works
• (16:33) — How long people stay in the DMT experience
• (18:00) — The level of intensity people go into
• (20:27) — How participants communicate their needs during their infusion
• (21:57) — Dose complexities and time in peak dose
• (24:46) — How Kevin and Haley got into providing DMTx
• (33:19) — Why people chose to explore DMTx
• (39:33) — Ad (Amentara)
• (41:26) — Reported benefits from DMTx
• (46:50) — Spontaneous healing through DMTx?
• (52:04) — The “DMT Laser Thing”
• (57:25) — The variety of experience
• (1:01:00) — The use and presence of sound and music during a DTMx experience
• (1:05:47) — No Glossolalia (yet)
• (1:07:19) — The strange things that happen for the facilitators
• (1:13:41) — Patreon thanks
• (1:16:01) — The bio-medical risks of DTMx
• (1:22:50) — The psychological risks of DMTx, short- and long-term
• (1:26:38) — Potential future clinical uses of DMTx
• (1:29:24) — Integration and aftercare protocols
• (1:31:46) — Ongoing data collection and future research ideas
• (1:34:44) — A wondering about weight-based dosing
• (1:36:57) — Future hopes and concerns about DTMx
• (1:42:53) — Follow-up links and contact details
• (1:44:44) — Outro