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Spiritual Healing, Internal Family Systems, and Emanuel Swedenborg
This episode of the podcast is going to explore an intersection of psychotherapy and spirituality.
Specifically, we are going to be exploring the intersection between Internal Family Systems, spiritual healing, and the work of 16c Christian philosopher and mystic Emanuel Swedenborg. Our guests are Bob Falconer, Chelsea Odhner, and Jonathan Rose.
Chelsea Odhner is the VP of Publishing for the Swedenborg Foundation and an IFS practitioner. Robert Falconer is an IFS therapist who has contributed significantly to the field through research and writing. Jonathan S. Rose is a scholar and translator of Swedenborg’s Neo-Latin works.
Collectively they are the authors of Opening the Inner World: Spiritual Healing, Internal Family Systems, and Emanuel Swedenborg.
They’re on the show today to introduce both Internal Family Systems and Emmanuel Swedenborg and to discuss the intersection between these two systems of thinking and what they tell us about spiritual and personal healing. We also explore the mind as a place populated by many beings—some of which are various parts of ourselves, and some of which exist beyond ourselves: so-called unattached burdens, guides, angels, entities, spirits, demons, and so on.
Throughout the interview we discuss the nature of the mind, the nature of the self, our relationship with the divine, porosity of mind, heaven, hell, freedom, and salvation—as well as how to work with the various beings within and beyond us in ways that contribute to healing trauma and living a better life.
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- 📚 Buy Their Book: Opening the Inner World: Spiritual Healing, Internal Family Systems, and Emanuel Swedenborg.
- 🤔 Learn More About Swedenborg: The Swedenborg Foundation
- 😊 Learn more about Robert Falconer: RobertFalconer.us
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Episode Breakdown and Timestamps
- (00:00) Opening
- (06:10) Interview Begins: introducing our guests, James’ Swedenborg connection
- (08:14) Who Swedenborg was: scientist turned mystic
- (10:43) What IFS is: mind as many parts, not one
- (12:46) Chelsea bridges both worlds via healing path
- (17:10) Understanding healing as a spiritual journey
- (22:20) IFS is secretly spiritual: Self as divine link
- (25:42) Salvation etymologically means health and healing
- (26:55) Mind as multi-levelled household with a head
- (33:21) Self can never be damaged, even by deep trauma
- (34:37) Divine inflow and the protection of our freedom
- (43:15) Porosity of mind: What if the voices in your head aren’t yours?
- (49:06) Heaven hell as states chosen by what we love
- (52:25) Levels of mind correspond to levels of heaven and the different spirits we are in contact with
- (59:50) The Citadel Of The Mind model underlying mental illness
- (1:05:50) Distinguishing inner parts from dark entities
- (1:10:25) Angels respect freedom; demons seek control
- (1:19:59) Hidden demons gain power only through our fear
- (1:31:42) Psychedelics as portal to spiritual porosity
- (1:43:42) Learning to sober navigate the psychedelic nature of spiritual reality
- (1:47:55) Closing: what one thing should listeners take home?
- (1:48:55) Practice self-witnessing in difficult interactions
- (1:51:33) Act as if loved and supported by angelic forces
- (1:56:51) Follow Up Links and Goodbyes
- (1:59:27) Outro
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